Grateful Dead Live at Fillmore West on 1968-08-22
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--splice at 3:41 in The Other One
--several minor blemishes during the stereo portion of the show
--minor splice at 0:06 in Feedback
--Sound Forge was used for some minor edits, including a slight pitch correction for an excerpt and to fix a brief repeat during The Eleven.
There has been a great deal of confusion regarding the date of 8-22-68, and this shn set still has several uncertain elements. Maybe some of this info can help:
--"source 1" (mono), has circulated fairly commonly under "8-22-68", though the Alligator that accompanies that recording is actually the version from 8-21-68. Still, there is no certainty that this material covering Stephen through New Potato is from 8-22. It does not match any other circulating material, though, and the intro from Bill Graham clearly places this at the Fillmore. Furthermore, this show may circulate with Dark Star as the opener, as it follows the Bill Graham intro. However, Bill Graham introduced the band at the start of each set in those days, so I've kept Dark Star where it was on my copy, in position to start the 2nd set.
--"source 2" is in stereo, and has been dated as 8-22-68 from David Gans. This portion often circulates following an alternate mix of the material that would make up "Two From The Vault" (8-24-68).
Other bits of reference:
--Phil's bass is out of tune during New Potato on 8-22, unlike the phenominal 8-24 version
--the Alligator from 8-21 differs as it does not segue into Caution
--the Alligator/Caution from 8-23 differs in that it does not segue into WBYG after Feedback
--the minor cut in Feedback on 8-22 may be disguised on some copies
Lastly, this probably isn't the end of confusion for 8-22, but as of Jan '03, it's a best guess
- 2004-06-23 13:01:09
- SBD > MR > C > D > CD > EAC > SHN
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Subject: Bump in the sparse spreadsheet
Of the 5 August '68 shows we have, this is probably the lesser one: most like '68/least surprises. We have just over 26mins of the first set, and most of the show is in mono. You'll dig it if this is yr fave era, and either way this 18½min Alligator is a must-hear.
First Set. The beginning of St. Stephen is clipped and we're missing a few songs before this. Likely either a Lovelight or Midnight Hour, plus a Morning Dew, Schoolgirl, or China Cat; or less likely a BioDtl or Clementine. An average '68 set.
Second Set. This is a stand-alone Dark Star, and almost a straight run through. Jer asks to turn off the strobe light. There's a brief cut @1:48 on all sources for Cryptical and a cut in The Other One @3:27 of 1 or 2mins. The show then gets better, with a fun Potato Caboose. It has a lengthy Patricia jam @5:30 (aka Jam in 13/8), in fact the focus is on Phil for this one. The source is now in stereo (with the channels switched). Alligator has the first few seconds clipped, but it's a great example, including the worthy drums solo (about 4mins in Jer starts to play but they edge him out for a bit longer), and the peak-of-show ending jam, which has another brief cut. Listen for Phil throwing spanners at Jer. Caution (cuts at both ends) builds more than expected, then leads to a Bid Goodnight.
1st Set: C
2nd Set: B-
Overall = 3 stars
SOURCES: The cotsman_14915 is still the best source. The St. Stephen>Eleven is slightly fast and needs -1% pitch. So does Alligator>Bid Goodnight, and it also needs the channels switched. The miller_gastwirt_sirmick is a partial copy. The jools_20083 is a partial source and runs slow. The
koucky_gmb_92733 is partial, and substitutes the Alligator>Caution from 8/21 [with several minutes edited].
Subject: Alligator>Caution numero uno
This Caution is also a knockout, real subtle.
"Power" jams don't reach this level.
The Dead sounded great by August 1968.
Subject: What a beautiful embodiment of progression
Subject: Good sounding run
Around the other one it starts to sound really good.
The alligator-drumz-jam-caution is tight.
Night before is ?!?!!!!!
Subject: love this year!
Subject: Wholly Holy, Batman!
Lasting blasting interest at least: Jam #2 > TOO Jam
Now that's a blazing/amazing j for jerry/journey...
Amazing how the band is tight/right/w/Jer who is beyond amazing, on freaking/fucking/fire!
For all around all the different styles for all the mad miles from here to eternity...
G is the greatest g.
Subject: Man, oh, man, a fine, fine show
In the one called koucky, the porton from Alligator is definitely from 8/21 – it is note-for-note the same as for the 8/21 show here at Archive.org.
The show starts with a nice St. Stephen, still only a few months old, but sounding much like 1969’s Aoxomoxoa, complete with bells. Jerry’s vocal volume is low in St. Stephen, but comes up in The Eleven. Jerry and Phil duel it out in an inspired jam in The Eleven, fast and electric and just flying. From those heights the band makes a smooth landing right into Death Don’t Have No Mercy—just a fabulous transition. Death is a beautiful performance: powerful vocals by Jerry, perfect organ embellishments, and tight playing and jamming rise and fall in intensity, as do the best Morning Dews.
This Dark Star is one fine example of crafted ensemble improvisation, as tight and masterful as anything from 1974 or 1977. It exceeds the excellent Dark Star of the previous night. August 1968 is the beginning period of the best Dark Stars.
The Dead play a dynamite Other One. It’s tempting to call it one of the best of the year, but there are so many good ones in ‘68. Jerry and Phil are zooming, Bill is going nuts on drums, Pigpen putting the icing on the confection. There’s a nice transition into New Potato, which really rocks. We get an extended Phil solo here, which is rare after 1974.
This Alligator really smokes (the one in Cotsman, the actual 8/22 version). It starts with Pigpen delivering a great vocal. The jam after drums is as exciting as those in the Other One and New Potato, with Jerry and Phil in the zone.
Pigpen gets back into it in Caution with some psychedelic vocals setting the mood for the blast off into space, fueled by the rockets of Jerry’s soloing, coming down for a landing safely into Good Night. Near perfection.
I really like this show.
But this show is part of a great run of shows on 4 consecutive nights: 8/21, 8/22, 8/23, and 8/24 (released as Two From the Vault – which is probably actually one show, from 8/24).
it gets four stars for from me
Subject: same boat
My Alligator thru Goodnight is definately what is found here as 8/22, Dark Star through Lovelight is definately from 8/21 according to what I have found here. (and is just sick by the way!!!!)
The recording thru-out my cd sounds to be from the same night. No differences in the sound of the recording. It led me to believe that what I had was the complete set from one night, for the longest time until I saw/heard what is here.
I guess someone took the first half of the second set of 8/21, and spliced it the second part of the second set of 8/22, to make one incredible show?????? Is it at all possible my recording IS just one show? highly doubtful from what now have come to see.
Subject: Jazz is Dead
Subject: the show
Subject: Magical Mystery show!!
Anyhooo - let me say I was gonna skip DLing this show because I mistakenly thought I already had it. This is the 8/22 show Jimi mentions from GDlive.com that I also have. And BTW - even though it's an MP3 format version, it IS in stereo and it's surprisingly VERY good quality (256K encoding). 8 tracks of incredibly hot playing, esp. the Death Don't. Whatever date that show actually is - it's worth having, so head over to GDlive.com and get it!
Now to this here show and the confusion. Applying Occum's razor to the problem, my best guess would be that this indeed is the REAL 8/22 show, in full. Since the apparent source is from Dick to David Gans, I would tend to trust they got the dates right, no? The fact that the first set is a mono source may mean it was from a radio broadcast, like the famous KSAN reels. The only mistake in the above show is that Dark Star should come before St. Stephen, as it almost always did. How always? Deadbase only lists St. Stephen played without Dark Star before it TWICE in 1968. First on 6/7/68 when they reversed them as St. Stephen>Dark Star, and then again ?? on 8/22. So the odds are heavily in favor of this tracking being in error, as the text file admits.To be honest, I have not yet DLed these songs, and so I may revise my opinion on the Dark Star position later.
The main differences between the 8/22 version on GDlive and this one, is that the former one includes a Lovelight to close Set 1, whereas this show features The Other One. Both contain the Alligator to the WBYGN sequence, but the GDlive version chops up the tracks differently. Finally, as the CD cover included with the other version shows, it was a circulating bootleg, and is more likely to have a wrong date.
My best guess, Jimi, is that the show you and I have is actually 8/20 at the Fillmore, which does not
circulate for some reason, on LAMA or anywhere to my knowledge. The maddening thing is that in 1968, the set lists were all so similar that many shows almost identical.
As is obvious to anyone that has heard these August 1968 shows, they were really riding a high wave at this point, maybe the best of the year. Listen to "Two From the Vault" on August 24th and you'll see. Hopefully, the remaining Fillmore shows from 8/20, and later from 8/30 and 8/31 will appear.
Dr. Flashback :-)
Subject: 8/22/68 ? Maybe?
Unfortunatly, to add too the 8/22/68 confusion I have a show that floated around on bootleg cd for a while that is the same source as this from Alligator till the end.However,it has 4 trax(Dark Star,St. Steph/the 11,Death Don't,and Lovelight)at the begining of the show that are different from this.These songs are in stereo and appear to be from the same source as the end of the show.However there are fade outs and ins so you can't be sure.
It is a great show also and a little higher quality.If you don't have it,it is worth finding also.
Whenever these songs were played they are great and worthy of anyones collection.
UPDATE 4/15/05 : I just saw the above mentioned show w/ the same date on www.gdlive.com for dwnld.
Subject: About the Alligator...
Subject: Gator>Caution>Seeing God?
Subject: Fine Early Dead